It was a bad Sunday for sponsors of an meeting to create a grassroots chapter of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence at the Glenview, IL Police Station Auditorium failed miserably as supporters of the Constitution and civil rights took part in the event.
In the end, unsubstantiated assertions by the gun control advocates were challenged by a boisterous audience.
The local newspaper had this to say:
Gun Ownership Advocates Intentionally Pack Panel
(Glenview Patch) – Gun ownership advocates intentionally packed Sunday’s gun control panel by the New Trier Democrats, as pro-gun advocates — who were encouraged to come from across the state in a mass email from the Illinois State Rifle Association (ISRA) — argued and yelled at panelists throughout the program.
“Remember, this is our Lexington, this is our Concord,” the email read. “Be prepared to teach the gun controllers a lesson in liberty.”
The email also encouraged attendees to arrive between an hour and half an hour early, to “ensure that there are more of OUR people there than THEIR people,” according to the email. That resulted in venue at the Glenview Police Station auditorium filling up, with many would-be attendees turned away at the door.
The majority of the crowd — around 2/3 — were wearing NRA and ISRA paraphernalia, and holding American flags and signs, such as “Shall not be infringed” and “Pro-second amendment.”
While all of the speakers faced outrage and yelling from the crowd — with many being called a “liar” or “loser” as they spoke — none seemed to anger the crowd as much as Lee Goodman, of the Stop Concealed Carry Coalition.
Goodman, who was booed as he came to the podium, started out on the wrong foot with the audience, commenting, “[The Illinois State Rifle Association] email said to dress nicely and be polite — and I’d like to say that you’re all dressed nicely.”
But the boots on the ground told a more interesting story of what happened. Steven Zahareas posted the following on ISRA’s Facebook page:
[Editor: With some minor editing for readability.]
I was the first one there at the meeting at 11:58am.
The Glenview police officer that I spoke to showed me into the room and he supported us.
When their people started showing up they said that the two front rows were reserved, I said that there was no reserved seating. The second time they brought J. Jjenkins over and she asked me to move saying that the elderly were going to sit there and I said, “we would see how many elderly showed up”.
The third time they came up and asked me to move I replied, “My name is not Rosa Parks and I am not going to the back of the bus.” I had saved four other seats up front for us and held firm. I saw it for what it was, to get their people up front and push ours out.
The moderator who wanted to start the meeting said, “Let’s start the meeting” and tried to start the meeting and someone from our side said, “Let’s start the meeting with the Pledge of Allegiance” and we did.
I was in the front row and I saw for myself that the moderator rolled her eyes and not one of the anti-freedom, anti-Constitutionalists stood up for the Pledge.
Hey, who is surprised?
The man Jenkins could not, or would not, support any of his claims. He went so far as to say that violent crime in IL is down and when a crowd member on our side questioned him about the results Jenkins admitted that the City of Chicago was left out of the study and statistics.
Jenkins even tried to lull and appease the crowd by saying I am one of you as he pulled out a FOID card (remember Blago also had a FOID card…).
I asked him about the FBI UCR (Uniform Crime Report) that has the breakdown of murders by weapon. One person on the panel said he would not talk about it and would not answer that question, obviously because he knew the FBI UCR did not substantiate his claims. Jenkins compared us to Nazis and made the statement that NRA members are the ones who committed the mass shootings.
Jenkins made mention of the Civil Rights movement and I yelled out the Second Amendment is a Civil Right.
Lee Goodman started his little speech by insulting law-abiding gun owners. When he was reading his piece about the babies I yelled out “What about my babies?” “Why are you trying to take away my ability to protect my babies?”
Near the end of his involvement of the forum in the Q&A, he stated that the Second Amendment has no importance today. Then a Veteran stood up and stated that he fought for Goodman’s right to say what he was saying but asked him if he would support the same restrictions on the First Amendment. No answer from Goodman.
We need to meet them on every front and call them out on their lies. It was a meeting where we locked them out of their own meeting. No quarter! The truth shall set you free.
Their plan is to divide us and consume a piece of the pie at a time until there is nothing left but crumbs. For those of you who were first timers to see how the opposition works now you know the ridiculousness we are up against, recruit another gun owner to get involved in the ISRA, NRA, Gun Owners of America, Jews for the Preservation of Gun Ownership, or any other true gun rights organization. If you are a gun owner and you are not speaking up YOU are part of the problem.
Brilliant! Next time they will have to hold their meetings in a sewer where they belong, so nobody can crash their little party. Those types are always for tolerance and openness as long as nobody questions their BS. There is an article on these pieces of excrement in Chicago Sun-Times. Some of the comments are pretty interesting…
http://wilmette.suntimes.com/news/17702305-781/capacity-gun-forum-draws-raucous-audience.html
Go ISRA!!! We have to fight tooth and nail for our gun rights, it’s time! Soap, and ballot, first…
You know I am not gun owner, however I see this being played out in Washington to get people to look the other way instead of focusing on the real issue of our country and it’s present situation. I am not for anymore gun control than there already is. Guns do not kill people, people kill people. Someone has to be aiming the weapon and pulling the trigger. I served this great nation in times of war and peace, I was in combat to protect our nation and our constitution. And as William Wallace once said long ago “FREEDOM”! And if you think just because I do not own a weapon, try and break into my house, you will find your very much so screwed. 173rd Airborne, 5th Special Forces, 75th 1st Airborne Rangers. I have skills…. Oh and when I am not home my wife not only being a 2nd Degree Black Belt, she owns 11 pistols and several assult type weapons.
Thank you sir for your service.
Thnk you Sir for your service!!!
US Army 1981-1996
11Bravo30
LRSD
Sorry, but I’m always suspicious of someone who is ex military that doesn’t own a gun.
Sorry, but I have plenty of friends who were or are Airborne, Ranger, SF, SEAL, & Delta. The vast majority of them do have CIB’s. Most of them do own arms but there are those of my friends who chose not to own firearms as they have seen plenty of death firsthand. You cannot speak until you have walked in the mans shoes.
I would like to thank you for your service it takes a strong minded man to fight for his country. Only one question why do you chose not to own a gun? You never know when you could save another one’s life by having a gun on your side. In all do respect I am not judging you in anyway.. Thank You Sir.
collateral damage can happen everywhere, the choice of our hero’s not to carry is more mature and safer for all people. they remove the risk of collateral damage.
I attended a similar meeting in Naperville in the early 80s when the anti’s were prepping for handgun bans in the suburbs around Chicago. We had enough people then to dissauade gun control action for Naperville, but sadly not enough for Morton Grove which subsequently passed their handgun ban.
But this recent action you did sounds great! Keep up the good work. If you want to try turning things around, consider supporting HR 35, the Safe Schools Act of 2013 which would repeal gun-free (kill) zones.
I commend what you did by standing up to these people (grass-roots my back side). But if you want to really show them as being “Anti-Gun” rather than “Anti Gun Violence”, give them something that will show their true colors. Florida has a 10-20-Life law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10-20-Life) that according to numerous statistics show there was a significant drop in gun related violence. Take a look at the Florida law, present it to these “Anti-violence” groups and see if they’ll pressure the IL legislature to enact the same or similar law. If they reject it out of hand, then they’re hiding gun control under the pretense of anti-gun violence and they can then be called out on it publically.
Proud of my fellow countrymen – standing up for what is right in the face of ignorance and tyranny!
I just took a look at the “Stop concealed carry” site and saw this:
“Self-Defense
In nearly all reported instances when non-law enforcement people have tried to intervene in mass-shooting incidents, they have failed and have sometimes been shot themselves.22”
(22. Mother Jones, 9/26/2012)
What a blatant lie! If I recall the article correctly, it didn’t accredit concealed carriers having ever stopped a mass shooting ever.
WW-2 USMC.SO. PIFIC-44-45
BEN THERE DONE THAT,-I HAVE CARRY P.-AND I DO, WE 87 TO OLD AND UGLEY TO BE SHOT
BY SOM SOB, DONT INTEND TO BE, WIFE HAS THE SAME CARRY P. BLACK BELT, DONT MESS WITH HER SHE WILL PUT YOU DOWN,WE WILL CARRY UNTIL THE LORD SAY NO MORE
NOT SOME LYING CHEATING CREAM PUFF IN WASHINGTON WHO STEAL THE MONEY, FASTER THEN IT CAN BE PRINTED,GUNS ARE PLANTED IN OUR HOME TO BE REACHED WHEN KNEEDED
DONT INTER WITH -OUT RINGING THE DOOR BELL,, GOD BLESS,—–FROG SAY THAT
DUMB-DUMB-DUMBER-STUBID-STUBID.
THAT IS WASH DC.MONEY STEALERS,-LYERS,SCUMB,OF THE EARTH,THAT SIT AND TELL YOU HOW THEY STEAL YOUR MONEY AND LAUGH,
THAT IS WHY THE GUN LAW IS IN THE CONST. THE WRITERS SAID THE PEOPLE WILL HAVE THE LAST SAY,ABOUT WHO WILL RUN THE COUNTRY.TRY THE NG, THEY WILL SAY NO,TRY THE ARMEY NAVY, USMC. THEY WILL SAY NO WHEN IT COMES TO BUSTING A CAP ON THERE FELLOW AMERICANS, ASK THEM…GOD DELIVER US FROM THE GARBAGE WE HAVE IN D.C.
DID FROG SAY THAT?—I DID.
Doc, that Mother Jones article was an object lesson in how to lie with statistics. The average number of people killed in a mass shooting stopped by an armed citizen is 2.75….so Mother Jones only counted evens in which 4 or more people were killed. Junk “science” at its worst.
Excellent point Heather! Thank you
Funny how when Americans stand up for their rights, the communist news orgs try to use language to make it sound like sedition.
GUN CONTROL KILLS!!
It is about time we played their games by THEIR rules. Too many times I have attended events and they created such turmoil people left because they could not be heard. WE learned it from them, now give it back every chance you get!!!
Exactly!
We are having the same fight here in New Hampshire. We all need to unite or there will be no United States. At least not the one we grew up in. God Bless you all for fighting for what is right. You have brothers and sisters in New Hampshire watching and fighting too.
The pledge was written by a socialist Nazi to instill a strong belief in the state (and to sell lots of flags, as he was a flag salesman) A piece of paper doesn’t give you rights. Wake up, your engaging in brain washing cult like practices. And another thing, the NRA SUPPORTS the 20,000 gun laws on the books. Why not support a real pro gun freedom organization like GOA?
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What do you need assault weapons for? What are they used for besides killing a lot of people at one time? Why are you so bent on keeping them available? Are you planning on killing lots of anti gun activists in a short time?
If its because bad guys have them, then I ask…what good is it that YOU have an assault weapon, you never stop the mass shootings from occurring.
I’m not Rosa Parks!!!! I won’t go to the back of the bus!!! Holy shit, way to slip up and show you really feel! Some people scare the shit out of me- and it’s even scarier when they have guns!!!
Hey shit head she was fighting for civil rights and so are we. You obviously are to stupid to see that the remark was pertaining to being firm and standing up to a group of people trying to opress a Civil Right, a Right gauranteed by the Constitution. I know Otis MacDonald and he is a great man and I thank him for his courage to stand up against the oppressive rules of the city of shitcago every time I see him. Gun control was and is racist. It was started after the Civil War to keep freed blacks from owning firearms. It is racist today because the lagrest growing segment of firearm ownership is not middle aged white guys but women and minorities.
The anti-gun people seem to have well thought out positions but the pro-gun people just resort to bullying and name calling in lieu of a coherant argument. It’s scary that you are allowed to have weapons because you’re not the brightest bulbs in the box. You remind me of the KKK – just blindly hating those who disagree with your twisted logic.
Gun Control was started by democrats. The KKK was started by democrats. A Republicans freed the slaves, a Republican desegragated the armed forces, and a Republican passed Civil rights. These are the things progressives want to forget.
Do you actually know that the civil rights bill was signed by Lyndon Johnson who was a democrat? You keep missing what was the operative phrase in the 2nd, as part of a well regulated militia! That was the courts interpretation for a couple hundred years until 2008 when W. Bush got paid off to pack the SC with people with the expressed adgenda to change the legal precedent. Every time a pro-gun activist opens their mouth it proves why guns should be controlled. Twenty three kids were sacrificed at the altar of your supposed rights and nobody on the gun side cares. My guess is you all got together and toasted how well the machine guns worked! A great victory for the nra!