You threaten your girlfriend by saying you’ve got a bullet with her name on it and then elbow a cop in the head and take off running, you might be in for a really bad day.
If your gun then falls out of your pants and you pick it up, sweeping the cop with the muzzle, you might just end up dead in a ditch, even if you’re running away.
That’s what happened to Terence Walker in Muskogee, OK in recent days.
His momma says he wasn’t a bad person though.
No, he was a “protector” – just about to turn his life around and play minor league football.
That’s why he picked up a gun on the street and threatened to shoot his girlfriend dead.
Walker says her son is being portrayed as a violent person. She says he’s not violent, he’s a protector, and it’s out of his character to be a threat. She says Terence had been living in Muskogee for the past year, but was about to move back home. She had high hopes a bright future was waiting for him in Austin, TX.
“I was just looking forward to him coming back home because there was a coach that was going to work with him to get him to sign up for minor league football.”
Of course, the local National Association for the Advancement of Liberal Colored Persons has chimed in as well.
Instead of calling for young men in the black community to renounce criminal violence, the NAALCP chapter is criticizing police for damaging the relationship between the police and the community by shooting this would-be killer before he could kill innocents.
(KTUL) – Tulsa’s NCAAP is speaking out after the Muskogee officer-involved fatal shooting. The president, Pleas Thompson says it is proof there is a ‘shoot first, ask questions later’ culture.
Thompson sat down with Channel 8 to view the raw video that Muskogee police released. He feels the officer could have avoided shooting, since Terrance Walker was seen running away.
Thompson says the shooting only damages the relationship between the community and the police department.
Let’s cut to the chase: the deceased, a local thug with a arrest record and an illegally-possessed gun on his person, brought about a police response after toting his gat to a church where his girlfriend was attending a wedding service. Terence, aged 21, had bought the gun on the street and told friends that he had a bullet with his girlfriend’s name on it.
Nice boyfriend, huh?
Here’s the video from the body camera. Note how quickly things went sideways for all involved. CAUTION: Graphic.
While tragic that someone died, far better it was the bad actor than an innocent victim.
The police released the video along with the following as part of a Power Point presentation about the incident:
1. Suspect had made threats to kill a wedding party member and came to the location with a loaded handgun.2. Witnesses at the scene told police the suspect had conveyed information to the victim that he had a bullet with her name on it.3. The suspect had attempted to hand the gun to another person at the scene who refused to take it.4. There were witnesses at the scene who told us that the suspect had called or left a voicemail threatening to harm the victim. This is currently under review by O.S.B.I.5. The suspect failed to comply with basic commands by the officer to place his hands behind his back and used an elbow to strike the officer. The shadow thrown by the suspect in the footage appears to show the suspect with a raised fist towards the officer.6. The area in question is surrounded by homes, a church with several people attending a wedding, and the suspect was running in the direction of an occupied vehicle that was travelling toward the suspect and officer.7. The officer reacted to the suspect stopping to pick up an item that we believe the body camera shows was a gun. At this point the suspect posed an immediate threat to the officer and witnesses surrounding the scene. It is our belief that the video clearly shows the suspect pointing the gun at the officer
Welp, here we go with round 3 of “Hands up, Don’t shoot”
His name was changed immediately to Dindu Nuffin…
Shame on you all. This was just another instance of cop murder.
IF it had been one of us, involved in a fatal shooting, we’d be indicted.
The “perp” was RUNNING AWAY. Gun or no gun, that is not an executable offense.
Sorry, but when good men like you stand with the cops, we’re all gonna die.
This is murder.
An armed violent felon is still a threat. He may not be an immediate threat to a pursuing officer, but he is still a threat to anyone he may encounter.
An officer’s duty to stop an armed threat is different from an armed citizen’s duty.
Ken,
It’s not the best video quality and the cop was running, so it’s pretty jumpy. But if you go to YouTube directly, select the “gear” icon for settings. Ramp it up to the highest quality video available (720p). You can also slow it down directly from YouTube to 0.25 speed. Start watching at about 0:58, in slow motion.
This perp’s actions clearly match the officer’s version of events – he drops an item, reaches down for it while facing the cop. Later in the video you see the silver handgun.
He didn’t get shot for “running away” – he got shot reaching for a gun, in a threatening manner, while facing an armed cop who had drawn down on him. Was the cop supposed to take a few rounds first?
Compare and contrast this to the video of the NJ cops that wasted the unarmed guy getting out of the car earlier this week.
Tell me again how the video here was an unjust shoot?
J.C.,
Thank you. I didn’t watch the video; my computer has some kind of glitch that won’t let me watch youtubes.
I was merely responding to the false assumption that any shooting of anyone fleeing police is automatically a criminal shooting.
Garner v. Tennessee addressed fleeing nonviolent felons, but a felon running with a gun in his hand is still an immediate threat to the public safety (note how many of them carjack people to escape).
I tend not to listen to people who get their knowledge of police work from TV.
I’d like to know what exactly needs to happen for these hands up whack jobs to say “well, yeah he had it coming”.
If an armed felon flees an armed citizen, the threat has ended and so has his argument for self defense. A sworn officer on the other hand has a duty to pursue the felon, and, depending on the state, shooting a fleeing felon is legal and considered proper response.
Some things that would-be thugs might wish to consider:
1) Don’t commit crimes, especially felonies.
2) Listen to and heed an officer’s commands.
3) Don’t run from the officer.
4) Don’t reach for a gun or make a move that could be interpreted as reaching for a gun.
5) Don’t point a gun at an officer, as it will likely end up badly.
6) Put on a belt and pull up your damn pants, you can run better.
Sound Advice****
Reasonable minds can disagree.
I disagree with the majority of you.
If the cop rules of engagement are “kill any fleeing felon,” then I disagree with that, too.
The guy was clearly trying to RUN and, as of that time, he had as yet committed NO CRIME. Is that clear?
He dropped something.
I sincerely doubt, in the heat of the chase, the cop even saw what it was. But, if the kid picked up even a gun and in the process of picking it up gesticulated in the general direction of the cop, he was still not to be executed.
This latest cop practice of shooting, emptying mags, reloading mags, shooting til empty, etc. (remember the NYC shooting where the pigs shot everything EXCEPT what they were aiming at, wounding three or four innocents in the process) is WRONG. Flat out, despicable WRONG.
I got no use for people of the stripe of the dead guy, none whatsoever. But I got less use for pigs. And allowing PIGS to execute people on sight like this is a slippery slope to NAZISM.
I like the indictments of late. I cannot support any cops who engage like this, or who are so tacticool that it makes me wanna retch. or those driving MRAP’s down the streets of Boston, pointing their automatic weapons at people in windows. This is NOT America.
We need REAL MEN to be cops. We need to Engage. We need to go toe-to-toe with suspects. No more CHICKS with tazers (didja know girl cops are engaged in more officer shootings per capita than boy cops???). No more.
STOP IT NOW.
This was murder.
if I’m on the jury, the cop’s convicted. The kid’s estate gets a hunnert mil.
If I’m on a jury where the kid is alive – and charged – he walks.
Sorry. I’ve had it with cop killers……..and by that I mean cops who kill.
The fact that good people like yourselves support them makes me ill.
Wow. Thanks for clarifying and answering my question.
Your blind, seething hatred for all cops leads you to claim that even if the guy was reaching for a gun, and moving in a manner consistent with pointing the gun in the direction of the officer – that NO, that wasn’t a clean shoot and was in fact “murder” or an “execution”. So in your mind, yes, the officer would have had to take a few rounds first, before returning fire.
Question #2: Is the officer allowed to return fire after being hit with incoming rounds? If so, how many hits before he can shoot back?
[And for the record – most here do not blindly support cops as much as you blindly hate them. We take each incident on a case-by-case basis – and have no use for trigger happy thugs in blue, jackboots, MRAP SOF-wannabe’s, no-knock abuses, asset seizure, gun confiscating constitution-shredding “us vs. them” trash. But to lump them in w/ the Oath Keepers and the friendly neighborhood peace officers who are on our side is ridiculous.]
Ken
your statement: “The guy was clearly trying to RUN and, as of that time, he had as yet committed NO CRIME. Is that clear?”
…is completely misinformed at the least, pure propaganda, moreso,….for a felon to posses any kind of firearm is itself another FELONY! If the officer had not stopped this multiple felon at this time, the next police officer who stopped this felon would likely been shot and possibly killed. The thug felon was headed for death or life imprisonment at the taxpayers’ expense, better off he was terminated before he killed another innocent law abiding individual.
Your bias and hatred are misdirected, and you are a psycologist? It seems you are moreso a sociopath.
Wow! Freud would have a field day with you, son. We psychologists call what you’re doing “projection.”
I don’t “blindly hate” or “seething[ly]” hate cops. I fear them, and revile them.
I have been falsely accused. I have sat in a courtroom while a cop utterly perjured himself, knowingly and willfully just in order to get a conviction on a piddly lil misdemeanor charge. If they’ll perjure themselves without any compunction whatsoever on a traffic charge… what WON’T they perjure themselves about in a capital case?
I have been involved in the law for fifty years. I can tell you I have YET to meet an honest or honorable cop. Maybe there’s one out there, but I have yet to encounter him. So, you’re talking out your A** and I’m talking from fifty years of experience.
AND, if you fail to SEE and KNOW the enemy, you’ll be dead. The cops are the enemy. Those who mindlessly follow orders and/or protocol. The NAZIS were full of order-followers, and they escaped retribution at Nuremburg. “I was just following orders, mein herr!”
I know that cops are the ENEMY as much as I know isloonacy is the enemy. If the rest of the country were as enlightened, we’d live.
It’s almost over, though, and I”m prepared to do what’s necessary, and if that involves making a few blue shirts run red, so be it.
Not having a debate with you. Your mind is made up. So is mine.
NO MORE COPS KILLING INNOCENTS. JE SUIS Mikey BROWN!
IF you “have been involved in the law for fifty years” why haven’t YOU been “making a difference”. Why have you not been mentoring the criminal thugs to renounce their criminal ways and be productive citizens, or maybe if they might have your qualifications of a police officer, encourage them to uphold your definition of an honorable peace officeer? How many “honorable” criminal thugs do you know?
Personally, I believe you are a lier. You consider all police officers “pigs”, which confirms your bias and hatred towards those who are on the front lines in emergencies, domestic violence issues, crime and accidents. If you are the victim in a crime, accident, or emergency, who do you call, your local criminal thug?
Mikey Brown was a criminal thug that was trying to steal an officers firearm to do your bidding, “making a few blue shirts run red”, no wonder you hold him up as your “mentor”. Seems to me you are encouraging murder, police officers have civil rights too, and the right of self defense.
NEVER FORGET:
This camp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1422411861&v=449ZOWbUkf0&x-yt-cl=84924572#t=133
was staffed by your good local neighborhood guys and oathkeepers. Of course, their oaths were to SATAN and der Fuhrer.
This WILL HAPPEN AGAIN. It starts with the militarization of the police forces and confiscation of our arms.
See you in the ovens, friend.
IF you “have been involved in the law for fifty years” why haven’t YOU been “making a difference”. Why have you not been mentoring the criminal thugs to renounce their criminal ways and be productive citizens, or maybe if they might have your qualifications of a police officer, encourage them to uphold your definition of an honorable peace officeer?
Personally, I believe you are a lier. You consider all police officers “pigs”, which confirms your bias and hatred towards those who are on the front lines in emergencies, domestic violence issues, crime and accidents. If you are the victim in a crime, accident, or emergency, who do you call, your local criminal thug?
Sorry Ken.
You’re all wet here.
As you tend to be when you go painting cops with a very broad brush.
Good shoot, Mr. Officer. Thank you for keeping your community safe from this guy who not only threatened to kill his girlfriend, but picked up a gun and showed up to commit the crime.
Dying in a ditch was a fitting end to this turd.
Sam
Sam, you’re only interested in his balls.
Thankfully he won’t be procreating any longer.