The Illinois State Police are set to make public the propose rule-making change relating to Illinois Firearm Concealed Carry Act.
We’ve got an advanced copy of the proposals. They are very minor changes in general, but will affect certain groups significantly.
First of all, non-residents will, in most cases, now be allowed to apply for and receive a non-resident carry license if these rule changes are adopted.
The other group impacted are instructors as there are some proposed curriculum changes and online reporting requirements for them.
Here’s the Cliff’s Notes:
1. (Page 4). B-27 scoring. The requirement to use a B-27 target stands, but they are re-defining (once more) what is a qualifying hit. Shots to the 7, 8, 9 and X-ring shall count as hits. The non-shooter who drafted these proposed changes was clearly out of his or her element. They apparently didn’t realize that they are excluding hits to the 10-ring that fall outside of the “X-ring”. We think this change should be easy to accomplish.
2. (Page 5). Redefines “substantially similar” to allow residents of almost all other states to apply for and received an Illinois CCW license. The catch? They must get a letter from a mental health professional attesting that the applicant hasn’t voluntarily admitted themselves to in-patient mental health treatment. Oh yes, there’s another catch: Applicants (and subsequent license holders) must submit these letters on an annual basis.
3. (Page 8 & 9). Instructor obligations and suspension/revocation procedure. Instructors must read instructor notices at least every sixty days. Creates a the process for suspending and/or revoking instructor credentials for misdeeds.
4. (Page 11). Curriculum. The State of Illinois will create an official curriculum that all instructors must follow. The program shall be released by January 1, 2016 for instructors to review. The State of Illinois will also create a “train the trainer” curriculum as well by the same date.
5. (Page 11). Student-teacher ratio for live fire. Each instructor may only train six shooters at a time during live fire segments.
6. (Page 13). Using the new curriculum & online reporting. By March 1, 2016, approved instructors may only use the State of Illinois curriculum and must register their courses at least 72-hours ahead of time. Instructors must also submit student rosters within 72-hours of completion of a class. Supporting documentation must be uploaded by the instructors as well for students wanting credit for previous training, etc.
7. (Page 15). Training certificates expire after one year from date of issuance.
We’ll have an opportunity to submit our critique of these proposed changes before they are adopted.
There should not be a permit required at all. Eight states have adopted the fact you don’t need a permit to do what the 2nd Amendment already grants.
Mudook v. Penn. 319 US 105:(1943)
“A state may not impose a charge for the enjoyment of a right granted by the Federal Constitution and that a flat license tax here involves restraints in advance the constitutional liberties of Press and Religion and inevitably tends to suppress their existence. That the ordinance is non-discriminatory and that is applies also to peddlers of wares and merchandise is immaterial. The liberties granted by the first amendment are and in a preferred position. Since the privilege in question is guaranteed by the Federal Constitution and exist independently of the states authority , the inquiry as to whether the state has given something for which it cannot ask a return, is irrelevant. No state may convert any secured liberty into a privilege and issue a license and a fee for it.”
Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham Al. 373 US 262:(1962)
“If the state does convert your right into a privilege and issue a license and a fee for it, you can
ignore the license and a fee and engage the right with impunity.”
Why have these two president’s in case law not been used to argue for constitutional carry nation wide ? Am I missing something here ?
My question also
Any further info on the requirements for a non-resident permit such as cost training time etc…etc..
As a Missouri CCW holder who travels to PRIL frequently I will be most interested in this decision.
The fee, training requirement, etc. are already locked in within the statute ($300 application fee, same training requirements, etc.). These requirements can’t be change via the administrative code; they would require legislative action.
There should be more clarification to the law defining what “close” means in regards to a nuclear facilities. It’s a grey area of the law. Am I ” close” when i park on the public road next to a facility or in my driveway a half mile away. This could lead a police officer to have a d8ffacult time deciding if im breaking the law.
As a nuclear plant employee should have the same rights as anyone else who carries to work and leaves their weapon in their auto’s locked. I should have the right to defend myself going to and from work. Why should someone be able to carry to a bar and drink with on but I am unable to carry to work.
How about amending it so we can open carry? It is much more dangerous to conceal carry, and much more difficult.
its more safe to conceal carry know one knows your carrying… explain why hiding a gun from the bad guys is more dangerous then letting them know were you have it
I agree
That would require legislative action. The administrative code isn’t an appropriate place to do this.
When are they going to clarify what “Partially Concealed” is? By definition, you can be using an inside the waistband holster, and not have a cover garment on and still be partially concealed. With mine, you can only see the grips. My handgun is covered up to and including the trigger guard, so I am partially concealed.
They are also proposing making the “no guns” sign smaller by removing any size requirements for the red circle with a slash over the silhouette of a handgun. Under the proposed rules, a circle so small in diameter that you need a magnifying glass to see would count as legal. This must not be allowed to happen.
They still require the black board to be 4″x6″….I don’t believe the template that ISP previously issued actually had a 4″ Red circle because the circle doesn’t touch the black boarder.
https://ispfsb.com/Public/CCWProhibitedAreaSign.pdf
What you say about the border is true, but there should still be a minimum size for the circle. Otherwise the wording could result in a situation where you have a 4×6 black bordered sign with a 1/16″ circle that nobody could see. And it would be legal.
Illinois is great! My son will be visiting again soon. He’s active military, in charge of weapons, getting ready for another tour to Afghanistan or Iraq, has a Concealed Carry permit, but still can’t be trusted enough in our wonderful state to carry and protect his young family while here!
Can we please have the same rights for all Americans everywhere in America?!