WHO? New pro-gun group clarifies reported support of anti-gun Democrat in PA senate race UPDATED

Americans for Gun Safety.

American Hunters and Shooters Association.

American Coalition for Responsible Gun Ownership.

And now, we have the American Gun Owner Alliance in Pennsylvania, a group that has endorsed (It’s more nuanced than that, and misreported according to the group’s founder.  Read below.) the anti-gun Democrat candidate for Pennsylvania’s US Senate seat currently held by formerly pro-gun Pat Toomey.

AMGOA sure looks like agitprop and little else.  According to some other grassroots groups in Pennsylvania, these guys are the real deal.

We apologize to Mr. Dalton and AMGOA members for our mistaken initial impressions about what the AMGOA is all about.

AMGOA’s founder emailed us, and put his side of things in comments.  We’re cutting and pasting here:

What a crock of CRAP! I just emailed your contact email (which BTW is no good) and your ‘directors’ the following:

Let me look at that contact email.

First off, just registered the domain in December? Where the heck did you get that nonsense? Our organization has been around since 2013.

https://whois.icann.org/en/lookup?name=amgoa.org

My bad.  I could have sworn it said December 2015, not Dec 2012.

Next, endorsed? No one and I mean NO ONE has endorsed McGinty, where you came up with that is beyond me! We are not a PAC so it would be illegal for us to endorse anyone.

Well, when the media report says you’re urging people to vote for a candidate, that’s a de facto endorsement.

THIS is what I told the interviewer and we are backed up on this by the largest pro-gun group in Pennsylvania, Firearms Owners Against Crime:

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Actually I never said in any article that I (or we) support McGinty. What I said (unless some editor bastardized the AP article again) was that we wanted to send a message to Toomey and the Republican party that we would not tolerate an anti-gun Republican that was backed by Michael Bloomberg. What none of these articles said (even though I specifically told Marc Levy from the AP during the interview) was this:

1. If Toomey is re-elected under Bloomberg’s ‘flag’ it will tell the Republican party that they can run, and win, using anti-gun rhetoric and money. They don’t care how they win they just want to win. At that point I can’t ever see another true conservative Republican running in this state again, especially up against Casey in the next election.

2. Toomey, if reelected will become a senior senator that will sit on several committees that could very well allow anti-gun bills out to the floor for a vote and honestly I think he will be beholden to Bloomberg to do that. We have seen him work against us several times before and with his new found power and backing he will do it again.

3. McGinty, even though we can’t stand her, would have next to no power whatsoever during her first term. She can bark and yell all she wants but that’s about as far as she could go.

4. I also told the AP reporter that it’s a scary election because if the witch becomes president and the Senate goes Democrat she will have the power to appoint SCOTUS judges that could effect us for decades. But I don’t think the Senate will go Democrat and even more so I know there are several pro-gun Democrats that could still hold them back. That being said I can also see Toomey voting to approve and anti-gun judge.

So yeah we are screwed in PA no matter how you shake it BUT if we just sit back and allow the PA Republican party to become true RINOS we are also screwed for many years to come.

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So don’t belive the largest progun organization (and a PAC) is saying the same thing? Read the comments on the pagunblog.com article on the same topic where you will see both my comments and following right behind that Kim Stolfer’s comment (the president of FOAC)

http://www.pagunblog.com/2016/08/31/pro-gun-group-ive-never-heard-of-supports-mcginty/#comments

I didn’t read the comments at pagunblog.  I did read the article titled, “Pro-Gun Group I’ve Never Heard of Supports McGinty“.

Where you come off printing such GARBAGE without a single ounce of research is beyond me. I expect to see some clarification in this article or a retraction and appology!

Oh and what have we done? Well let’s see, we have sponsored legislation, we have joined other organizations to file amicus briefs on gun related lawsuits, we have taken on (literally) a corrupt sheriff that was making gun owners lives a nighmare and we have helped countless firearm owners understand the challenges they are faced by legislators and give them a way to fight back. Pictures you say? We don’t need pictures we have actions!

DC Dalton – founder of the American Gun Owners Alliance

Mr. Dalton does have at least a couple of comments at pagunblog vouching for him, so that’s good enough for me.

Including this one:

I have known Dave Dalton, and AGOA, for years and he is a dedicated supporter of our Constitutional Freedoms. Dave and AGOA positions on Toomey are correct and mirror our, Firearms Owners Against Crime, concerns as well.

My points are geared toward the ethical positions of our organizations. IF it is perceived that we are ‘in any way’ not holding Toomey accountable for his positions in violating our ‘core beliefs’ then other politicians ‘will’ consider this retrenchment on our part as a an ethical lapse that can be exploited. This is why we worked so hard with trying to educate Toomey, DeSousa and Blackburn on the issues and how a failure to reconsider will be painting us into a political corner.

To explain, when we were at the 2nd Amendment Rally an activist made this same argument at a table in the morning with all of the gun owners of our group (@15) At the very next table was a group of pro-gun House members. When this was brought up I went to those legislators and asked them this question: IF we still supported Toomey after what he has done (they ALL knew) would that cause us (gun owners) problems down the road? To a ‘man’ and ‘woman’ (there were 8 legislators present) they ALL said, without equivocation, YES. In politics, the ‘lowest common denominator’ becomes the new standard. THAT is precisely the danger that the Toomey situation presents for all of us.

SO, Toomey ‘squeaked’ by last time ‘with’ our support and ‘if’ he wins this time after betraying us, politically, we will be neutered. This is the much larger disaster than McGinty winning. Make no mistake that I am in any way saying McGinty is not a disaster but Toomey is an even bigger one that will have long term consequences at not only the federal level but across the board.

It is also important to point out Toomey’ positions on Sotomayor (would’ve voted for her) and the deluge of Obama nominees to Federal Court that he has overwhelmingly supported. Toomey also was on the wrong side of two of the four votes on the ‘No Fly-No Buy’ issue. He has also failed to challenge the Obama Administration on their changes to the ITAR procedures and did ‘not’ sign the letter to John Kerry on this matter either. Oh, let’s not forget that the Toomey/Manchin bill on UBC had ‘critical flaws’ in it that Toomey admitted to my face (with witnesses) that he knew about, but did NOT correct. The list of misdeeds goes on and on.

This is why, on our (FOAC) voter’s guide, we have ‘no suitable candidate’ in the US Senate race. In politics perceptions are everything and we cannot and will not allow our hands to be tied by a self-serving oath-breaker. Additionally, our standing firm will encourage other candidates to know they can count on our positions on issues being firm and unwavering.

In the Primary, Toomey lost 251,000+ votes in under voting. In PA that is a clear sign of ‘no confidence’ and almost replicates the Sen. Santorum disaster. Seems like Republicans never learn that we ‘do’ care about Freedom.

Kim Stolfer
FOAC, President
http://www.foac-pac.org