This is a story of dramatic violence which happened to last week while on travel in Cleveland, OH. It also did not happen to me because I was a block or two away from the main event. I should have been there, but wasn’t. In the aftermath I was asked repeatedly “What would you have done if you were there?”
Here is some back story. Cleveland, OH has about 360,000 residents. The poverty rate hovers about 30% according to some internet records. That is a lot of poor people. You see them everywhere. (I tried to pick out old bullet scars on a lot of them in sleeveless tops at a Walmart.) Violent crime in Ohio draws a D- rating , one poll says violent crime is 16 per 1000 and another says 30 per 1000. Cleveland is in the top 25% of violent cities in the U.S.
A fairly surprising form of transportation around Cleveland are electric bikes and scooters. I say surprising because I saw tons of young adults on these blue pained scooters whizzing around town, even women in dresses and high heels. When you are done I guess you just drop them and walk away. I saw them tipped over and scattered all over town and on the roadways. Somebody probably tracks and finds them later.
I travelled with a women’s senior division sports team to Cleveland a week back for the Pan American Games, an international event and it was the first time it has been held in the United States. It is a huge multi week event and the city put tons of effort into hosting and promoting the games at several venues. The team I travelled with rented a large 100 year old VBO style house 2 miles west of the downtown venue about a block and a half from Lake Erie. The lake draws a lot of beach activities and events. The wide avenues are lined with well kept 100 year old houses. The streets are heavily travelled.
One evening just about dusk, three of the female athletes asked if I would like to walk down to the beach front with them. My first thought was I should go along for the exercise and to take my CCW. However I declined as my Adventure Wife was ailing and I said I should stay put to help her and fetch anything which could make her more comfortable. What would you do?
A couple of minutes went by and I ran outside to give the ladies my Pro Tech rechargeable Tac Light to take with them. However, they were already out of sight. I always travel with a strong tac style light and I resides on the night stand near my pistol. This particular light is only pocket size- about 3″ long, but kicks out over 1000 lumens in high, low and strobe.
About 40 minutes later the ladies had not returned. What would you do? I went out and waited at the sidewalk for about 15 minutes where I could see about 1/4 mile in two directions. I finally got tired of swatting mosquitos and went back inside.
Another 10 or 15 minutes later the ladies returned and they reported to me they had been up close to some rather dramatic and upsetting violence just a couple of blocks from the house. They related the event and I kicked myself the whole time for not walking with them in an unknown neighborhood at dusk.
Turns out they saw four males and a female, all about 20 years of age come into the area on those electric scooters. One of the ladies said “Hello” to get them to see her as a person as they had the appearance of a pack of wild dogs and of course in any big city- they reeked of weed. The ladies saw the young female pick up one of the electric scooters and was chased by one of the males who caught her and knocked her to the ground. What would you do?
The male then proceeded to bash the girl’s head into the asphalt, kick her in the ribs and punch her in the face. The witnesses were horrified and shocked but did not say anything for fear of inviting the violence their way. What would you do?
As the attacking male bent over, a pistol fell out of his waistband and skittered on the asphalt. What would you do now?
To finish it off, the male retrieved the gun and fired it into the air, apparently not directly at the prone victim. The female ran to a vehicle, got inside and either drove or was driven out of the area. What would you do?
The ladies related all of this to me when they got back to the rental house, and all wanted to know “What would you have done if you were there?” They were sure the female victim had a concussion and probably broken ribs in the encounter. They wanted to yell “Hey stop that!” but didn’t. There were apparently a couple of other people in the area at the time too. No one did or said anything. 911 was not called. What would you do?
Two of the ladies said after the gunshot they heard a helicopter approaching and they hoped it was a police chopper coming to the gunshot. I did not laugh aloud, but pointedly remembered one time fervently hoping bad guys heard a LAPD chopper in bound and it would keep them still. At that time I was in the middle of Watts, CA holding 9 Crips on their knees outside a crack house with my 6 shot revolver while my two LAPD Crash (Gang Unit) ride alongs ran into the crack house raiding it by themselves. Yes I was well aware of the 6 bullets in my gun and 9 down Crips and that helicopter sound. I knew it was not for me, but I could use the sound to bolster my own position. “Ya hear that!”
My immediate response to the ladies telling me about their event was “I was not there and I think I know my responses, but I don’t know everything about it.” What would you do?
The equipment I travel with was perfect for a dusk event. In addition to the bright pocket flash, I travelled that day with a Sig P365 XL 9mm pistol. The XL is a slightly longer length than the stock P365. I think it fits my hand better and I like a tad longer barrel for accuracy. It has a stock Sig Sauer factory trigger and loaded with a 12 round magazine of high quality hollow point self defense ammunition and I always have a 15 round back up magazine on my belt. The P365 XL also has Wilson Combat Grips on it and a Holosun shake awake Green Dot sight.
The Green Dot would have been perfect for that time of day. Even in daylight the Green Dot is more visible than a Red Dot.
Ohio recognizes Illinois Concealed Carry Permits. What would you do?
Pretty astounding to me, the ladies all concluded “It was good you were not there.” They were sure I would have interceded and more shooting may have resulted. I assured them at a minimum there would have been a lot of paperwork involved.
I made sure to tell the ladies my first duty would be to protect them. I don’t want to see anyone abuse a woman in front of me, but I am a retired law officer and can’t enforce laws. My duty to the ladies and first decision when we saw the beating begin, would be to move them out of the way and to cover. Cover, not concealment. Large trees and large houses were plentiful in the area. After that I would be a good witness and be calling 911.
I think I would have intervened by shouting or using the light from cover if any was available to try and get the aggressor from beating the woman I did not know. What would you do? There were at least 3 to 4 young males there at the scene. I don’t know who they are or their histories. I damn sure would not have been thinking “what if the bad guy who is winning pulls a gun?” What would you do?
If I, or you, rushed up to help a female in distress would you have worried about a gun or knife? Probably not- and we should. There can be a tendency to get caught up in doing what you think is “right” which can give you tunnel vision and prevent you from acknowledging lowlifes on drugs beating a woman may not be new to this sort of thing and may have guns and knives and certainly no qualms about using them.
When the gun arrived on the ground it was a surprise to everyone-especially the gun owner. It also ratchets up the danger everyone is in. The idiot’s decision to fire it off in the air to show his anger and power is evidence he is not an elaborate thinker type. What would you do?
The gun did not get pointed at anyone in particular. Could you engage them with your CCW? Are you creating a self defense situation that did not exist before you pulled your gun? Crafty lawyers are attached to each and every bullet. What would you do?
If you were pointed at or shot at do you return fire? If you stop the threat do you try and do first aid? Do you approach a downed gunman? Can you control 3 or 4 other males if you leave cover? Will you get arrested? Where can you get a lawyer in Cleveland on a Sunday night? Are the jails nice there? Will you get sued?
These are all things to work out in your own head as best you can-ahead of time. The middle of a gunfight is a terrible place to learn new skills. Hopefully your CCW class did some scenario training or at least in depth conversations about things to consider, do, and not do around a deadly force incident.
I thought I’d put this incident into print as it was a good reminder to me to consider many more issues on the street than “I’m the good guy.” I spent 30 years as an officer and more than that as a firearms trainer and being this close to an incident still makes me think and evaluate and try to critique even my own “Non-performance.”
Let me know. What would you do?
What I would do is not be there in the first place.
I totally avoid Chitcago, and it’s the same for any sizeable city. I live near Champaign and don’t tend to spend any more time there than absolutely necessary either.
Probably not what you were looking for, but that’s what I would do.
Gipper I get it and can’t cast any shade. Not going is a viable choice. Thanks for reading and the comment.
I am used to going anywhere and everywhere in America and many foreign countries. Different life.
…and my Sig’s get so restless, they want to get out and see people….
The best I would be able to do would be a good witness, being handicapped, I am not inclined to be around these types of situations, living on social security, minimal funds to travel, not inclined to partake in the “night life” (aka: bands, bar scene, etc.) as I enjoyed when younger. I would hope I could remember pertinent facts and descriptions to relate to law enforcement and be able to call them. No “smart phone” so no video or pictures.
I like it. One of the things about concealed carry is knowing who you are and your abilities. I have frequently said in print those pistols are not magic wands and don’t make everything better…and if you are not going to shoot them they make really bad, short clubs. Care for yourself and family.
My gun is for my protection and mine alone. Because of a couple of lying sons of b****** I have already been maliciously prosecuted and it cost me a small fortune. I will never defend another.
If you are going to carry a concealed weapon make damn sure you have insurance of some kind that will cover you in case you are also maliciously prosecuted.
And Mike’s case the girl- it sounds like – traveled to that point with the Fellers -with the joggers – and there’s just no talking since into that type.
Also since I am a white male and thus part of the evil patriarchy and am invisible to women because I don’t make seven figures a year I will not lift a finger to help a female ever again.
Laydees….. if you want to be equal to men then be equal to men… don’t expect a man to come running to your aid!
Since you don’t comprehend the difference between sense (aka: “a faculty by which the body perceives an external stimulus; one of the faculties of sight, smell, hearing, taste, and touch”), and since (aka: “in the intervening period between (the time mentioned) and the time under consideration, typically the present:
“she hasn’t spoken to him since last year”)
perhaps you should take an elementary school English/grammar class, kenny-boy. Just “common sense”.
Perhaps you are “invisible to women” because you are just an incurable, pathetic “penis-head” and women can sense it by the way yer mommy dresses you and the attitude you exude, ya think? Who cares, no one would “procreate” with you, will they? It’s always “all about kenny-boy”.
Gsl1589! We like how slowly your mind works! There’re gaps between your pathetic insults.
And the best you’ve got is pointing out an error made by my voice dictation software!?
Man, you’re a real bottom feeder!
Perhaps you need “speech therapy” as well if your “voice dick-tater” is soft, or flaccid (can’t get it up?) stroke it little boy, or simply PROOF-READ? You really are pathetic, always “not your fault” is/isn’t it “kenny-boy”, blah, blah, blah. All about “kenny-boy”, always.
Does anybody know gsl1589’s true identity? It’s time for a Red Flag Warning to the state police. He’s unhinged, he’s a danger to himself and others and he needs to be disarmed.
*Proofread for all you basement-dwelling losers!
What-a-matter, “kenny-boy”, you dish it out but you can’t take it, can you, punk?? Seems to me you have done the very same thing to John Boch about a typo that was so inconsequential never letting up on your manure, sooo, I think you deserve the same treatment 10-fold. You are sooo thin-skinned it is fun to troll you because of your narcissism and arrogance. Tu che, dim-bulb, you are sooo easy to get “under your thin skin”, hahaha!!
“kenny-boy”, how is it that you think I am a “danger” to anyone including myself? The only thing “in danger” is your pathetic “EGO” because you can’t take a little “ribbing” because of your overinflated, arrogant, narcissistic, quisling (lack of) personality!
I have got yer “red flah” hangign’!
As presented. 1) Unknown cause for attack initiated by aggressor with hands/fists/feet, 2) firearm not used against any person(s) and 3) unknown actual number of associates with aggressor. Everyone take cover and memorize as many details as possible. Summon/render aid and info. Safest/most cost-effective approach from my perspective – if I had to be there.
Good analysis.
Thanks for the article! I don’t see any anti-cop comments on here yet. Just look at what they are doing to Sangamon County Deputy Sean Grayson. He was an officer of the law just doing his job. Now his body cam footage is out on YouTube for all of the cop haters to talk about. He was charged with “murder” for shooting that innocent woman to death. She COULD HAVE thrown that hot water on him. She COULD HAVE gone to the garage and grabbed a power tool. She COULD HAVE grabbed a knife out of the drawer. She COULD HAVE fled and made them wreck their cars. She COULD HAVE thrown rocks at them. Police have a tough job and should be able to kill subjects without question or consequence. Just look at Project 2025 which is full of Republican priorities like allowing the police to do whatever they want and not worry about some random subject that thinks they are an innocent citizen to think their own government shouldn’t go around murdering people at will like it’s North Korea. We need to give police the ability to run people over with cars, shoot them at will like its a video game and walk right into anyone’s house if they make up a probable cause. They did this to poor Officer Grayson WITH qualified immunity. Just imagine what would happen to police WITHOUT qualified immunity. Police would be held accountable for murdering innocent people including children. We can’t live in a society where citizens think they have all of these rights and police are held into account and can’t just kill people at random as they wish. This is WHY I vote REPUBLICAN. All I can say is BACK THE BLUE!!!! At least the Republicans are looking out for state actors. No one else is. I fly the thin blue line flag. Police have more respect when the public lets them get away with whatever they want to do. I’m stand with police, not subjects (citizens).
F U very much TROLL! is that you “kenny-boy,” or the punk-A$$ “Travis”?
My guess is “kenny-boy” the “mommy-boy”
Travis-TROLL:
Juvenile is as juvenile does, “Travis”, and what is more juvenile than the same ol’ claptrap you spew with every post you write (TROLL), the anti-ISP, anti-law enforcement, anti-republican diatribe that is every trite blather YOU post on the GSL web site?
I believe you are just a TROLL trying to denigrate and all to foment your goal to create discord here. I doubt you, just like the creep “ken”, are NOT GSL members and I doubt you support any firearm rights organization. Just sayin’.
C’mon, man, where is that “long list” of pro-firearm democRAT politicians any or all firearm rights organizations can support?? If there are none, just admit it and let it lie, TROLL!!
Let’s be CLEAR! Anti-cop means anything, I mean ANYTHING that goes against the police. If you complain about how they abuse your constitutional rights you are ANTI-COP. If you complain about how police get away with murder when they hide behind qualified immunity you are ANTI-COP. If you complain about how they will arrest you for a 30 round magazine in Illinois due to PICA you are ANTI-COP. If you complain about how they take an oath to the US Constitution then do everything they possibly can to manufacture probable cause, lie to your face and guilt you into submitting to a search so they can get around the 4th Amendment you are ANTI-COP. If you complain about how they go 80 miles an hour down the highway with their eyes glued to their phones while they will cite you for even glancing at your phone at a stop sign with no one else is even around you are ANTI-COP. I am sick and TIRED of Travis, Ken and whoever else complaining all the time about how they should be respected as a US CITIZEN instead of considered a subject like its North Korea or some other communism place. Police have a tough job to do and we owe them our complete blind respect. Any slight against cops is ANTI-COP! There!
I belong to GOA, SAF and FPC. So I belong to outfits that actually fight for the 2A, not apologize for the storm troopers that enforce gun control.
GSL 1598 wants a list of democrats that support the 2A. He’s directly avoiding the point here in order to escape self-reflection. This is not about democrats or demoRATS as he/she/they says. This is about how the Republican Party panders to gun owners when it’s election time or wanting donations but when they get to Springfield, or DC they stab you in the back and support the gun control enforcement arm of the government otherwise known as police ABOVE their own constituents. It’s the same as the Titanic supporting the iceberg that sank it above and beyond its own passengers then blaming the glacier 400 miles away where the iceberg broke off from. IF you don’t get that simple explanation, please continue to vote R and get the gun control enforcement you support and so much deserve. This isn’t difficult to understand. 2+2=4 like it or not.
Travis:,
Aren’t YOU the one that “complained” quote: “Is this a 2A website or a Republican one? It seems pretty obvious. It’s a Republican bias site.”
You denigrate any and all who vote/support Republicans, apparently you hate those who do, so you don’t vote for R’s there is no other choice to be represented because if you vote for the “in-depends” crowd, you have no representation and therefore your vote is wasted or the depends vote with the dems 99% of the time!!
YOUR TRITE blather is idiotic, FWIW!!!
SOOO, where is your list of pro-2A politicians that YOU vote for?? HMMM?
TRANNY/TRAVIS-MARY,
YOU STATE: QUOTE AS ABOVE: “GSL 1598 wants a list of democrats that support the 2A. He’s directly avoiding the point here in order to escape self-reflection.”
LIAR!!
I want to know YOUR list of “PRO-2A democRATS” so, IF I don’t necessarily want to cast MY vote for someone else in the same district/race, I could vote for a different PRO-2A politician, (Jane/Mary) YOU IGNORANT SLUT!! ” (to paraphrase old SLN skit)
Why won’t YOU enlighten us about those YOU consider PRO-2A
QUIT PUTTING YOUR WORDS INTO POSTS WITH MY “HANDLE”, YOU BLANKETY-BLANK A$$HOLE!!! SCUM
What gets considered anti-cop and anti-christian is very similar. All someone has to do is simply say or show what cops or christians do and believe in to be considered mocking or anti. If you think it’s wrong for cops to get away with throwing a flash bang into a baby’s crib you are anti-cop. If you read, word for word that bible verse that says snakes can talk, or wearing different fabrics or any of these other off the wall goofy verses you get accused of mocking religion. The only thing you have to do is read back what is already in the bible and not edit or add anything. When the boot licker or bible thumper gets to see what they actually support shown back to them it’s embarrassing! So instead of ceasing to support nonsense they like, they instead blame the person exposing it because they can’t be wrong. It’s fun to watch!
GSL 1598, since you are apparently new to voting if not the United States, an Independent doesn’t have “representation” as you say because it’s not a party affiliation. What it means is they have no party affiliation because that’s what Independent is, not belonging to a party. If said political party wants that Independent person’s vote they have to earn it, not automatically expect it because not everyone is a blind follower sheep like you are. Atheism is not a religion and thus no atheist churches. Duuhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
How many times do you have to be told this? Get a dementia test dude!
New to voting? Ha, My first primary vote was in 1972 as a natural born native American (and proud of it), as an uninformed teen-ager; declaring to be “in-depends” means you declare yourself to follow the “in-depends” politicians that vote/follow the democRATS 99.9% of the time, and “don’t want to be affiliated” as, or with, the democRAT “party”, sooo, you support the very party that is trying to destroy the Constitution and especially the Second Amendment. SHOW ME the “independent” politician that DOES NOT vote with the RATS and MAYBE you MIGHT convince others of your manure.
What are the “voting records” of the local/state INDEPENANT politicians YOU HAVE VOTED FOR, AND what party do they affiliate with??? HMMM?? WHERE IS THAT LONG LIST???
You state, quote: “I belong to GOA, SAF and FPC. So I belong to outfits that actually fight for the 2A”, SOOO, what politicians do those firearm rights groups support, because, as we all know, to fight the anti-firearm, anti-2A crowd, you have to support the politicians that are PRO-2A, DUUUUUUHHHHH! WHO/WHAT politician/s do YOU support, WHO have YOU voted for??? You don’t vote for Repubs, ONLY “in-depends”, right??? WHO have those YOU have voted for or support?? So you have NO church/religious affiliation either, huh? I really don’t care, but that reveals your “mentality”, emphasis on “mental”!
Travis, you say, quote: “Independent doesn’t have “representation” as you say because it’s not a party affiliation. What it means is they have no party affiliation because that’s what Independent is, not belonging to a party. If said politician wants that Independent person’s vote they have to earn it,”
… just how does a politician go about getting “that Independent person’s vote” how do “they (have to) earn it”? It seems the democRATS get the “in-depends” vote without having to “earn it” every election, prove me wrong. TROLL
Even though this is a pro-gun control enforcement website (pro-police) I will say that the good ol Christians that are having a piss fit over the enforcement of Matthew 7:12 “do unto others” is fun to watch. They are so upset that Olympics started out by supposedly mocking the lords supper with trans people. TOUGH SHIT holy rollers! Fuck you and the talking snake you rode in on. Christians mock trans PEOPLE all the time. Trans people are real as in, you don’t need faith to believe they are real because they just are. What comes around goes around. Religion is a weapon to be conveniently used against people they don’t like, such as gay people. Isn’t funny that these religious people who never go to church or say goddamn all the time suddenly get all goddy when they don’t like a gay person? They literally sit there wearing different fabrics, eat at Red Lobster by ignoring those unhandy verses but pull the man shall not lie with a man as he does a woman or try to violate the 14th Amendment equal treatment under the law and try to ban marriage equality while pretending they love the constitution. FUCK religious people! I want to thank the Olympics for mocking religion on the world stage. It’s been a long time coming and if Trump wins you can bet your wanna be fucked ass that religion will be dismantled globally. It’s long overdue!!
You don’t get to mock God. My religion is a weapon against those I don’t like and I will play the victim card anytime someone calls me out on it. My religion allows me to mock and ruin the lives of people I don’t like and to mock other religions but don’t dare do that to me!! The world revolves around me and I don’t need a bunch of tranny fags to tell me otherwise! Let’s put god back in schools but ONLY if it’s my god. Fuck everyone else! My way or the HIGHWAY! Praise the lord!!
Oh, Mary! Hunny! We all accept perfectly logically that mental disease and/or defects are VERY REAL.
But because you’re afflicted with them doesn’t mean we gotta change our pronouns-usage just to mollify you!
And GOD still loves ya, baby. Just repent.
And Wiley? There is ONLY ONE GOD. He does NOT brook mockery. See, e.g. Sodom & Gomorrah, Rd. II.
By the way, mary, honey: Marriage is always and forever will be between one man and one woman. WIthout that, it is NOT a marriage.
I hear you Wiley! I am Christian all the way. Some preachers say that when Jesus Christ was nailed to the cross and woke up from the dead a couple days later it wiped out enforcement of the inconvenient Old Testament. Well, except for Leviticus 18:22 because we use that against gay people that threaten our masculinity and also make us jealous that we can’t be free like they are. That’s one reason why us conservatives shout FREEDOM all of the time, because we are not. We are imprisoned by our own prude beliefs and devotion to something we cannot prove and thus requires faith but we treat is as fact when it’s time to enslave the population with laws by our religion like it or not. Anyway, my minister said one way to get out of the mixed fabric violation as required by Leviticus 19:19 is to simply rip the tags off all pants and shirts then even god herself can’t see it if it’s not there. I did not misgender god because my minister said while god is generally referred to as he, god is an entity that is genderless so they/them is actually more like it. The real reason why we oppose same-sex marriage is that if the 14th Amendment equal treatment under the law is required then us bullies will be seen as bullies and it makes it more difficult to suppress people that make us feel insecure about ourselves. BACK THE BLUE!!!
WOW Travis TROLL, you and your “alter-ego”, TRANNY IDENTITY Mary and or “little willy” Wiley are REALLY off the rail HATEFUL aren’t you??
And “kenny-boy” calls me “unhinged”! You take the boob prize for unhinged!
Feel free to self annihilate, do the world a favor!
Well, at least everyone knows “Travis” is just trolling you!
But you, sir! You are absolutely cuckoo-for-cocoa-puffs bat shit crazy! UNHINGED.
You need to be red-flagged before you hurt someone else. Nobody cares if you off yourself.
You nutbag.
GSL 1598, I have searched the internet to try to find “independent politicians”, not much luck, Robert Kennedy Jr., and Bernie Sanders are the most prominent, and Manchin of West Virginia, a recent convert on the national level, could not find any Illinois politicians that declare to be independent. Apparently, Travis has no one to vote for this year, he might as well stay home. FYI.
DLM 54 and GSL 1598, go ahead and vote for the party who supports this kind of shit: “Sangamon Co Sheriff Asks For Forgiveness After Sonya Massey Shooting Death.” Look up that headline and also look up where the cop who is charged with the MURDER of an innocent woman and where his union wants him to be put back on the job. You heard that correctly, police institutions WANT the killers of innocent people to walk free. And you so-called patriots complain about Black Lives Matter thugs walking free. If you think that armed actors for the state walking around executing citizens is ok, then for sure vote Republican because they like Project 2025 thinks cops should have complete immunity for crimes against the public like this. Republican Party or the CCP? What is the difference? Oh hell, just take yourselves to North Korea where you belong.
FYI, Travis/Tranny-Mary, et-all:
An Illinois sheriff’s deputy has been charged with murder in the fatal shooting of a 36-year-old woman who had called authorities over concerns about a prowler, officials said Wednesday.
Deputy Sean Grayson was arrested on charges of first-degree murder, aggravated battery with a firearm and official misconduct, Milhiser said.
The sheriff’s office said Grayson’s alleged actions “do not reflect the values and training of the Sangamon County Sheriff’s Office or law enforcement as a whole.”
Grayson, who was fired as a Sangamon County deputy nearly two weeks after he killed Massey, has been jailed since he was arrested and has pleaded not guilty.
Grayson shot Massey in an exchange over a pot of water, authorities have said and body camera video shows.
Above quotes A-la NBC News
NO ONE “supports this kind of shit:” LIAR, TROLL SCAMBASS-TURD TRAVIS/TRANNY-MARY!!!
I agree with the Illinois Fraternal Order of Police Labor Council that Deputy Sean Grayson should get his job back. Sonia Massey was just a subject. Officer Grayson was an officer of the LAW and thus deserving of our absolute respect with complete immunity. See Project 2025. COMPLETE IMMUNITY for the police, PERIOD! Police shouldn’t even have to wear body cameras that are subjected to a subpoena if the family of the deceased demands it because that puts them at risk of public judgment which leads to police reforms, accountability, transparency and other anti-police prejudice. They’ve already had marches in Chicago about this demanding police “accountability” or some nonsense. I don’t care if subject Massey was incorrectly murdered. Police know what to do without the public demanding answers or asking questions like the are a taxpayer or some entitled citizen. FREE Deputy Grayson. Back the Blue!!!!!!!
This pro-killer cop boot licking thing is real and it’s common in conservative politics. When an illegal immigrant kills an innocent American the woke left is more concerned with the illegal immigrant’s rights, even though there are none, than the American that was killed. Remember when that trans person killed a bunch of people in Nashville? The woke left was more concerned with the shooter being misgendered than they were with the people that got murdered. I mean, pronouns were MORE important than the people who died!! It should surprise NO ONE that the political right is more concerned with a murdering cop’s welfare than they are the innocent subject person that was murdered by the state. It’s a thing!
FU VERY MUCH, TRANNY-TRAVIS/MARY TROLL
I agree with the Illinois Fraternal Order of Police Labor Council that Deputy Sean Grayson should get his job back. Sonia Massey was just a subject. Officer Grayson was an officer of the LAW and thus deserving of our absolute respect with complete immunity. See Project 2025. COMPLETE IMMUNITY for the police, PERIOD! Police shouldn’t even have to wear body cameras that are subjected to a subpoena if the family of the deceased demands it because that puts them at risk of public judgment which leads to police reforms, accountability, transparency and other anti-police prejudice. They’ve already had marches in Chicago about this demanding police “accountability” or some nonsense. I don’t care if subject Massey was incorrectly murdered. Police know what to do without the public demanding answers or asking questions like the are a taxpayer or some entitled citizen. FREE Deputy Grayson. Back the Blue!!!!!!!
I hear you Wiley! I am Christian all the way. Some preachers say that when Jesus Christ was nailed to the cross and woke up from the dead a couple days later it wiped out enforcement of the inconvenient Old Testament. Well, except for Leviticus 18:22 because we use that against gay people that threaten our masculinity and also make us jealous that we can’t be free like they are. That’s one reason why us conservatives shout FREEDOM all of the time, because we are not. We are imprisoned by our own prude beliefs and devotion to something we cannot prove and thus requires faith but we treat is as fact when it’s time to enslave the population with laws by our religion like it or not. Anyway, my minister said one way to get out of the mixed fabric violation as required by Leviticus 19:19 is to simply rip the tags off all pants and shirts then even god herself can’t see it if it’s not there. I did not misgender god because my minister said while god is generally referred to as he, god is an entity that is genderless so they/them is actually more like it. The real reason why we oppose same-sex marriage is that if the 14th Amendment equal treatment under the law is required then us bullies will be seen as bullies and it makes it more difficult to suppress people that make us feel insecure about ourselves. BACK THE BLUE FOREVERMORE!!!!
VOTE INDEPENDENT, I don’t care if they vote with the Democrats all the time, we just have to vote against the Freedom caucus republicans that are the only ones to vote and stand with the second amendment!!!
GSL 1598 wants a list of democrats that support the 2A. He’s directly avoiding the point here in order to escape self-reflection. I KNOW the Democrats want to ban all private ownership of firearms so ONLY law enforcement and the military has access to weapons of war!!!
VOTE INDEEPENDANT so you can deny that you are voting against the constitution along with the Democrats, I cannot identify with freedom!!!
BACK THE BLUE, NO MATTER WHO!!!
IF YOU DON’T IDENTIFY AS INDEPENDANT, I will troll you and shame you into MY WAY OF THINKING!!!
BACK THE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!!!!
IF YOU DON’T IDENTIFY AS INDEPENDANT, I will troll you and shame you into MY WAY OF THINKING!!!
BACK THE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!!!!
VOTE INDEPENDENT, I don’t care if they vote with the Democrats all the time, we just have to vote against the Freedom caucus republicans that are the only ones to vote and stand with the second amendment!!!
GSL 1598 wants a list of democrats that support the 2A. He’s directly avoiding the point here in order to escape self-reflection. I KNOW the Democrats want to ban all private ownership of firearms so ONLY law enforcement and the military has access to weapons of war!!!
VOTE INDEEPENDANT so you can deny that you are voting against the constitution along with the Democrats, I cannot identify with freedom!!!
BACK THE BLUE, NO MATTER WHO!!!